Monday, August 1, 2016

Vote For Who?

Donald Trump offends people

Hillary Clinton kills people

The US is bombing the Islamic State in Libya. Why? Well, Islamic State wasn't in Libya before Hillary Clinton as secretary of state drug the US into an entirely needless war there that killed 60 to 250 thousand people depending on who you listen to, destroyed the country and left it an ungoverned no man's land that ISIS just strolled into, picking up free weapons and military equipment as they went.

Clinton pushed for that massacre so they could make Libya a base of operations for the Syrian war, which is ongoing and has killed probably a half million people and sent hundreds of thousands of refugees either into Europe or to their deaths in creaky old boats.

You can hyperventilate about Trump all you want. Those people will still be dead.

About the Trump criticizing the humble old Muslins controversy. So Donald Trump is a jackass. The young soldier who died, whose parents agreed to bolster Hillary Clinton's campaign by criticizing Trump in public, guess where he died. Iraq, that country Hillary Clinton was urging George W Bush to invade when she was a senator, where the US invaded a country illegally based on "intelligence" that was known to be manufactured, by many people, including Hillary Clinton, who voted to authorize the war anyway.

Add another million to her death toll. And I have to vote for her?


  1. Begs the question of Bubba Muntzer.... You know for a fact that either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump will be the one sitting in the presidents chair in the Oval Office come January 21, 2017.

    Who in your estimation should get Americans vote? Gary Johnson will not be president, a write in candidate will not be president, it will be either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump.

    Regardless of how we feel about one, the other or both.... that is the choice we have.

    Any sage words? Thoughts? Insights? I, along with several hundreds of millions, am in a corner......

  2. That's the $64,000 question, isn't it? Thanks for the comment.

    I heard some Black Lives Matter people on a podcast saying they were just going to vote "down ballot." Vote for other candidates. Some Bernie supporters are saying that, too, and pointing out that those races need more attention anyway. Not too many people, including me, have the guts to say they're going to vote for Trump, but I'm sure a lot of people, including me, are considering it.

    I'm keeping my options open at this point. I think the establishment and especially establishment Democrats could do with a good hard lesson, which is that you can't take the people for granted like you have been. We the people need to stop voting for the lesser of two evils and put our foot down, but I don't think a Trump or Clinton presidency would drive that lesson home. It will take something else, like a depression. The Great Recession has changed a lot of peoples' minds but as we saw in the primaries only about half of Democratic voters' minds. You've got the people who won't vote, who the great unknown. They don't see the use in it, and when you see how quickly Sanders became a foot solider for Hillary, and therefore for warmongering and the ruling class, you can see that they were right. I myself will keep agitating with my line that the electoral process is not the place to focus ones efforts, but with mobilizing consciousness, raising awareness. Meanwhile I might just vote for Trump and get ready to be called everything up to and including Ralph Nader. If nothing else it will hone my writing skills. A million and one defenses will have to be ready. We'll see. He might end up disgusting even me. I think the charges about his racism and xenophobia are exaggerations --his wife is a very "ethnic" looking foreigner, after all -- and covers for what people don't want to say, which is that someone got the approval of the people but not of the elites, but I am keeping my ears open, too. If someone from one of the communities that bear the brint of that stuff makes a good argument that he is more detrimental than Clinton because of that stuff, I'll listen.

  3. Playing with fire: "If there’s voter fraud, this election will be illegitimate, the election of the winner will be illegitimate, we will have a constitutional crisis, widespread civil disobedience, and the government will no longer be the government. “I think he’s (Trump's) gotta put them on notice that their inauguration will be a rhetorical, and when I mean civil disobedience, not violence, but it will be a bloodbath.” Roger Stone, Republican strategist, lobbyist, and Donald Trump confidante.

  4. In response to your post title: does it really matter anymore? America loses, no matter which one wins. Our political, civic, lethargy has done us in.

    1. I agree 100 percent Ms Crow. I believe too that human nature dictates that the lethargy is bound to turn around at some point, under some conditions hopefully not too dire.